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  I'm an ABSENTHEIST. Are you also?

  by EdenOne in

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  it just dawned on me.

  the existence of god can't be proved, neither is there evidence of god's inexistence.

  so, i'm neither theist neither atheist.

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  Jonathan Drake

  If Joe says: "there is a deity in the universe", and Jack says: "there is no deity in the universe", let me ask you, who has the heaviest burden of proof?
  

  Joe.

  Science has all the proof in the world that life has developed without a god. There is NO proof that a God ever did a single damn thing. The bible, and God assert there was a flood (as do many cultural legends) science has absolutely disproved this. The evidence in science falls against God by disproving all the crap supposedly associated with God on our planet.

  If joe says that he knew a man who broke into a bank with his son and saved everyone inside from a fire, but EVIDENCE shows that the bank doesn't even exist - how can you possibly say joe might be right?

  this is exactly what you're doing. People are saying God exists because of things that have been proven untrue, but you're suggesting despite this they might still be right.
  
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  I'm an ABSENTHEIST. Are you also?

  by EdenOne in

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  it just dawned on me.

  the existence of god can't be proved, neither is there evidence of god's inexistence.

  so, i'm neither theist neither atheist.

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  Eden I think your getting absurd.

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  The Science Is In: God Is The Answer...

  by OUTLAW in

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  the science is in: god is the answer.

  research shows kids raised with spirituality are happier and healthier in the vulnerable teen years.

  why arent we all signing up?.

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  coftya minute ago

  Jonathan - I have contempt faith but I also think it is a mistake to view all religious belief as equally dangerous. As Sam Harris has pointed out nobody goes to bed worrying about Jainist suicide bombers.

  There are millions of christians who don't cause me any concern. I wish their children would grow up to be less superstitious than their parents but they are not a serious problem.

  I will fairly concede that I'm likely still projecting my anger on religion as a whole. because honestly I am.
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  The Science Is In: God Is The Answer...

  by OUTLAW in

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  the science is in: god is the answer.

  research shows kids raised with spirituality are happier and healthier in the vulnerable teen years.

  why arent we all signing up?.

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  Jonathan Drake

  I disagree that they aren't all dangerous.

  http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/03/21/new-orleans-airport-attack-scene/25136201/
  

  The KKK was partly Christian in origin and had some goals regarding Christianity:

  http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism
  

  Also on the above link are other examples of Christian extremism.

  Have you read about these wars?

  http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades
  

  You give me enough time and I'll find a huge list of proof that ANY theism is dangerous. If a person does cocain, gets drunk, or par takes in some other chemical dependency; what are the chances that the dependancy might make them harm innocents? The chances exist, but if they do it's likely to be one target in particular for a personal reason.

  Now imagine that chemical dependancy is in the form of a delusional egotist who could at any time just get the whim that all of one particular group or all of one certain people should die because it's what God wants. All the millions, all the billions, all the hundreds of thousands who are dependent as as a drug addict to this persons whims will do exactly as they are told in the name of God.

  History attests to this Uni. ISIS attests to it right now. These people who blindly follow a book, or a man could randomly just decide God wants them to do something insane. It's far more likely than that drunk ever doing anything to anyone else.
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  The Science Is In: God Is The Answer...

  by OUTLAW in

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  the science is in: god is the answer.

  research shows kids raised with spirituality are happier and healthier in the vulnerable teen years.

  why arent we all signing up?.

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  Jonathan Drake

  Also why should cofty have to search for the link? It's not coftys job to defend other people's claims or posts etc. Asking for the source isn't insulting, so why be defensive?

  lets all chill. 😁
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  The Science Is In: God Is The Answer...

  by OUTLAW in

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  the science is in: god is the answer.

  research shows kids raised with spirituality are happier and healthier in the vulnerable teen years.

  why arent we all signing up?.

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  Cofty and JonathanDrake: extreme scenario - a hopeless alcoholic with a huge self-destruct button starts to have some kind of personal faith in God, and his over-endulgence in alcohol starts to decrease. Would you tell him to his face there is no god?
  

  Yes I would. I don't see a difference in dependence on alcohol and dependence on an imaginary genie. Both are being used to escape the real underlying issue, whatever it may be.

  At least as an alcoholic he's only a danger to himself. As a misguided theist he's a danger to society. He's a danger to me. All it takes is that charismatic leader to tell him God wants him to blow up my kids elementary school. So you tell me, which would you prefer?
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  The Science Is In: God Is The Answer...

  by OUTLAW in

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  the science is in: god is the answer.

  research shows kids raised with spirituality are happier and healthier in the vulnerable teen years.

  why arent we all signing up?.

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  cofty34 minutes ago

  religions do have a good moral framework to offer teenagers/vulnerable people

  I strongly disagree.

  I too disagree with this.

  They appear ON THE SURFACE to do this. But in truth they do not. And there are countless examples. Look at how JWs affect children and people for instance? Robbed of potential.

  Look at the Catholic Church. They encourage NFP and strongly discourage contraceptive. This encourages unwanted pregnancy and children having to grow up in severe poverty or other bad circumstances.

  I challenge you to name any religion that doesn't in some manner or fashion severely injure, hinder, or otherwise negatively impact masses of individuals in the name of God and under the pretense of morality.
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  The Science Is In: God Is The Answer...

  by OUTLAW in

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  the science is in: god is the answer.

  research shows kids raised with spirituality are happier and healthier in the vulnerable teen years.

  why arent we all signing up?.

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  Jonathan Drake

  Yes. This is exactly what society needs. Some dumbass researcher feeding theism.
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  Some Questions About Jesus

  by Coded Logic in

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  why didn't jesus ever write anything?

  why are there no letters to jesus?

  no painting of jesus from that time?

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  I don't think Jesus of the bible ever lived.

  I think Jesus was a very popular name, so there were many many Jeezai But no Biblical Jesus.
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  Every Governing Body Decision is from Jehovah

  by B4Right in

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  how do you convince a jw that every decision that comes from the governing body is not from god?.

  my mom who is a pioneer said that the students are getting their work book a month early, then proceeded to say " jehovah knows what we need".. for you who now know ttat what did it take for you?.

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  Jonathan Drake

  Try Hebrews 7:23, 24